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#1 michaelball

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Posté 06 juillet 2014 - 05:39

Hello.

 

Do you allow Tor exits and Tor non-exit relays to be hosted on Online.net?

 

Thank you.



#2 bene

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Posté 06 juillet 2014 - 09:54

Hello Michael,
 
it is not forbidden in relation to the terms of service. But as you are fully responsible for what happens on your server, I strongly advise you against running such services on your Dedibox.
 
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Bene

Kind Regards,

 

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#3 Le Gallois

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Posté 07 juillet 2014 - 18:28

Question should be exactly why do you want to run TOR?

 

Oh I for got, anominity.

 

But for what.  What site you developing dude?

 

... Not expecting a reply.



#4 K.Kode

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Posté 11 juillet 2014 - 02:57

If you run a relay your IP will not be used as an exit node so you should be fine and you're still contributing to the cause.

As for reasons a lot of people need / use Tor for a variety of reasons including government oppression.

 

Edit to add:

Who Uses Tor:  https://www.torproje...orusers.html.en



#5 mikmak

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Posté 11 juillet 2014 - 09:06

mostly true, but let's be honest and look at the reality you can't see at customer level

 

99% of its traffic is still pedopornography and piratery, so morally we thinks it's a "bad thing" to use (you don't promote freedom of expression to the cost of other freedoms and safety, especially in regards to children imho)

also police will probably ask us to lock your server for prosecutions within a week .... this happens all the time (and it is very boring for you and us)

we should make some public stat about that, might help people understand how Tor is not such a good/fun idea...

I should also show you (but sadly I am of course not allowed to...) some of the pics we get with autorities requests, not very fun to see pictures of kids abused every day you know... (yes, we do receive such requests -daily-)

 

so it's allowed "per se", but don't expect to enjoy your server for more than a week before being contacted by autorities.... and also don't expect us to "help you" in anyway in getting this back online faster than it should if you have police troubles.

 

so, when doing such things, don't forget the "whole picture", there is a lot more than just "basic freedom" behind ToR, whether you accept it or not. There are many ways to defend freedom of expression and information access, ToR might not be the best one to think of.

 

Mik

PS: you should also expect a lot of incoming DDoS on your box ... (one DDoS out of three these days are going to a ToR node ...)



#6 K.Kode

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Posté 11 juillet 2014 - 14:38

Let me start by saying while I agree with some of your statements/sentiments and I can appreciate you don't want Tor relays/nodes on your servers; to say "99% of its traffic is still pedopornography and piratery" is a very bold and sweeping statement that I would like to see backed up with some proof / statistics.  99% of complaints received does not equate to 99% of the entire user base of these technologies.

The two (of the "Four Horsemen of the Information Apocalypse" to quote Bruce Schneier) you list were problems that existing long before Tor/I2P etc were released to the public and will remain so regardless of the methods of distribution these people use.

 

Respectfully

 

K.Kode






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